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Budget figures

MomOf2
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Budget figures
« on: June 07, 2008, 10:47:25 PM »

Kathy, maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen a request for budget figures yet for the grant proposals. Not that we have a lot of money to be basing a budget on…
However, I'd like to see what they would like to know!
Thanks!

Yours for grace and mercy,
Lois

klpsupermom
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: Budget figures
« Reply #1 on: Today at 12:05:44 AM »

This is not Sosen's current budget, it is future budget needs. For instance, estimated costs for supplies, symposiums (with a breakdown, travel, speakers etc), money for RSO family emergencies, 800# just to name a few. I haven't had too much time this week to work on this. I hope to get some more done by the meeting tomorrow. I too work full time and my time is limited. We can only do what we can in the time we are allotted!!! Maybe you can come up with some dollar amounts? Thank you!
See the list below for information required for the letter.

All letters of inquiry must include:

Full contact information for the principal project contact, including mailing address, phone, fax, and email

Description of the organization that will undertake the proposed project

Description of the project for which funds are sought, including a specific description of how the project's goals will be achieved

Preliminary project budget and amount requested (there is no minimum or maximum request)
2008 Application Period

Letters of inquiry for new projects will be accepted between May 1 and August 1, 2008, ONLY.

Applicants will be notified via email within 1-2 weeks of receipt that their requests have been received. Decisions will be made by September 1, after which time candidates will receive a letter of declination or an invitation to submit a full proposal. During the review period, The After Prison Initiative is not able to respond to inquiries regarding the status of a funding request.

"To continue to provide current research, education and a network support system, our organization requests your support in the amount of $500,000."

The After Prison Initiative
2008 Grantees:

  • Community Legal Services 2008
    A grant to lead national impact litigation to remove unreasonable employment barriers faced by people with criminal records and to create legal precedents around and raise public consciousness about the unlawful practices that deny people with criminal records access to employment.

    $300,000 | 3 years | www.clsphila.org

  • Corps Network 2008A grant to subsidize travel, hotel, and food costs for Civic Justice Corps members and staff to attend Green For All's Dream Reborn, a four-day conference that explores promising, equitable, ecologically friendly solutions for creating jobs, justice, wealth, health, and sustainable communities, with a focus on youth of color. $20,000 | 6 months | www.corpsnetwork.org
  • Harvard University 2008A grant to convene leading magnet school planners, Hope VI developers, and Justice Reinvestment experts to assess the feasibility of using public housing transformation, magnet schools, and Justice Reinvestment resources to create new opportunities for integrating residential neighborhoods and public schools. $25,000 | 6 months | www.charleshamiltonhouston.org
  • PEN American Center 2008A grant to provide matching bridge funding for the PEN Prison Writing Program as the organization works to expand and diversify its funding. $60,000 | 2 years | www.pen.org
  • Prison Policy Initiative 2008A grant to continue research, public education, and policy advocacy to reform the current Census Bureau practice of counting incarcerated people as residents of the towns in which they are imprisoned. $150,000 | 3 years | www.prisonpolicy.org
  • Temple University 2008A grant to expand and nationally replicate the Inside-Out Exchange, a model strategy for increasing access to education for people in prison. $200,000 | 3 years | www.temple.edu/inside-out/

Sosen budget needs to disseminate free materials already on the internet: $500,000
Sosen Grant: 0

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Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning

tikibug
SOSEN Staff
Member

Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« on: August 18, 2008, 08:12:05 AM »

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Tom Madison will be on Fox News Mike and Julie show here in a bit. (www.soclear.org)

Comments to the show

http://www.mandjshow.com/contact/

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Kinsella
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 09:55:40 AM »

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I watched it and I think Tom Madison didn’t help our cause much today. I know he has done so much for RFSO, but today he lost a battle. Once he started yelling it was over. He was pretty much in a no win situation. But he looked angry, as I am sure he is, like all of us. But we can’t win this debate like that.

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flowergirl_1970
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2008, 11:02:15 AM »

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This show made my skin crawl ….. I can understand why Tom lost a bit of composure. The sad part is that most people will will side with the misperceptions. Its too bad the media can’t be sued for spreading hysteria and lies.

LetsGetReal
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No need to fear, Underdog is HERE!

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2008, 11:17:10 AM »

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Tom had to speak up in order to keep from being blind sided by Fox. Personally, it’s too bad that Fox’s biasness allows uninformed and ignorant people make statements that are not true and not allow responses to lies.
I don’t blame Tom one bit for getting his voice heard. I wish more people would speak loud enough to be heard. Everything Tom said was true and Fox’s blindsiding techniques can also be heard.

He got his point across in a very hostile environment. KUDOS Tom. Fox is the leader in spreading myths, lies and creating national hysteria. You will never get fair treatment from Fox. Never

Trust me, even though this was a Fox audience, there are those who actually heard what he had to get across
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LetsGetReal
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 11:37:49 AM »

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I would have rather had Tom speak up than sit there and being made a fool.

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fallenone
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2008, 11:48:37 AM »

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They didn’t give Tom 10 seconds to speak before they interrupted him. That would have pissed me off. That DA was a total wacko– she says “I’ve worked with pedophiles for (whatever) years blah blah blah” but DAs don’t work WITH anyone they work to CONVICT people. But yeah they never intended to give Tom a chance to speak. And for once Tom was being concise too, usually Tom loves to give long narratives today he was brief and precise but Juliet cut him off. If I would have been there I would have been pissed too.

I sent Mike and Juliet a scathing comment about the poor quality of the segment, and I also added they are no longer on in Cincinnati because their show was terrible anyways and no one around here watches it, and after seeing this turd, I can see why

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Megan
SOSEN Staff
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2008, 11:59:14 AM »

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I applaud the effort put forth by Tom.
He did good in the face of the enemy.
No surrender, no retreat.

However. I must say. I believe with all my heart. You can NEVER put a sex offender on national television to be interviewed without a contract of exactly what the agenda is.

They had all these guns pointed at Both these guys from the start.
Sabotage, purely sabotage.

I believe Mothers of Children and Teens who are being persecuted unjustly, Professionals, who know the statistics and are willing to fight for the cause and public figures, like Michael Moore, or some tv host who is willing to do the research, and speak up for the cause are the ONLY ones should be in front of a camera.

Not that I know anything. And I like Tom and his crew, I do not wish to say anything against him personally or what he does.
But I should be allowed to voice my opinion, in humility and for the cause.

If you are a sex offender, please do not get in front of a camera unless you have a contract of who will be there and what they will say. And definitely it needs to be pre-recorded so you can sign off on it before it is aired.

Just my thoughts.

Kinsella
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2008, 12:03:18 PM »

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I agree with Megan. SO’s are in a no win situation. We need spouses, children, doctors, friends, etc. to speak for us. We(SO) can not win. The message get’s lost the second we say “I am a SO”. I thought Tom Armstrong did a great job. It was too bad he went first and didn’t get a chance to respond to some of the stupid comments made.

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LetsGetReal
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2008, 12:56:49 PM »

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In spite of being on Fox, I think this was a win win situation. Yes, Fos was up to their tricks to promote ratings, but I do not believe that ANGER should NEVER be used. There are times for anger, and this was one of the. Sure it truns a lot of people off but it also causes others to “listen.”

Fox was uses anger all the time, that is how they get their ratings. Bill O is KNOWN for it and many tune in just to wait for him to “go off.”

There is a time and a season for EVERYTHING.

Tom, I salute you. Your anger is justified. For those who have ears to hear.

I wouldn’t doubt that Tom may use this for another SoClear, “Fair and Balanced” video.

Again, Many KUDOS to Tom.

Time to make some lemonade
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Sex Offender Issues
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2008, 01:45:05 PM »

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I agree, we need children and family members doing this, then the people will listen a little more, especially if it’s a child. Like others have said, you have to fight fire with fire some times.
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Triedbyconscience
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2008, 02:34:54 PM »

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We are not a nation of collective responsibility, but one of personal responsibility. We are not a nation of tyrants, but of citizens with rights, and thus… must we remain, lest we fall into the ashes of history, never again to rise.

klpsupermom
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 09:32:10 PM »

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I think the “victim”, although she claims to be recovered I think she is still playing a victim. I agree that the DA is clueless when it comes to statistics. Well, at least things are heating up and someone influential is finally speaking out!!


Sex Offender Issues
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2008, 10:30:56 PM »

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Nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to listen to a registered sex offender, period. And this is why I have stated before, that a registered sex offender should NOT be appearing on TV, except where they can hide their face and voice and freely speak their minds.

Nor should a RSO be running an organization about registered sex offender issues. It’s ok if they help behind the scenes, but being the owner and spokes person is NOT a good idea, IMO.

Like I’ve said, nobody will listen to an RSO, never. And this is why we need a husband/wife or even better, children out there talking about how these draconian laws have harmed them and their family. Like the child being bullied at school, loss of friends, moving all the time, stress, anger, etc.

Having an RSO run a company like this, or being on a news show to speak out about the unfairness of the laws. It’s like having some DUI offender run and own a alcohol store, and speak out about not being able to drive. Nobody will listen to this man, period. (bad example, I know, but I’m sure you get the point?)

If someone like the Dr. Salmek, who was in the Florida rally, would have got up and discussed this, or the Hess man from New York, more people would have listened then, or, better yet, a child and mother or father of a sex offender up on stage talked about the fear, guilt, shame, harassment, threats, etc, then they would listen. Who is going to jump on a child on national TV? Nobody, so, the child can get up and say how they feel, but, it should also be said, you should NOT coach the child what to say, they will spot that in a heart beat. It must be open and honest.

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oldman_inmaine
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2008, 11:14:43 PM »

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I agree that his answers here were right on, however, most viewers will only recall the out burst.
The out burst will act like a shock treatment, that causes one to store, even misinformation, in more detail then truth in the mind. My gut turned over when he started talking when his turn had already been spoken. He had already addressed the fact that the pedo’s only made up a very small % of the over-all list of EX-sex-offenders. His out bust, will be used against his own cause. Very , very,

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fallenone
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2008, 11:33:24 PM »

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Okay, I need to address this — First of all, with few exceptions, no one else IS speaking up for us except us. People like Mary, who is NOT a sex offender and has what it takes to be an outside representative, is a rare thing. As far as Dr. Samek goes, I think he’s great, and I appreciate what he has done for us, but like him and Jill Levenson, they’re scholars, and scholars bore the hell out of the average person (Honestly, Jill Levenson’s internet event bored me to tears). Scholars are great but no one’s going to listen to them, either.
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fallenone
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2008, 11:41:34 PM »

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Quote from: lawdoc on August 18, 2008, 11:20:05 PM
It is really chilling to hear a DA say Tom should be in civil commitment for asserting himself.

This happens a lot. They sounded JUST LIKE Absolute Zero when these so-called professionals said crap like that. This D(umb)A($$) also said we’re “not taking responsibility” for our actions by speaking out. So taking responsibility to these idiots mean we must be silent and not fight for our right to live. Where did this idiotic DA get her Degree? Does Fox have an infinite supply of Cracker Jack? But yes I saw that too. Anyone catch her name? I have a shiitake award with her name on it.

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Anita
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #31 on: Today at 08:01:11 AM »

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I just watched both videos, the show and the Greenroom. What I think is that this was a successful presentation.

No, Tom did not get much audience support, (that’s to be expected), but HE GOT HIS POINTS ACROSS! As for his “anger”, it did not at any time rise above the DA’s level. Their “talking points” were equally explosive. Since these shows LOVE strong emotional reactions, I doubt that many veiwers left the room at that point in the show.


I also believe that the the dialoque reached a higher level of passion, both pro and con. People will be discussing the issue more now than they would have if this had been a ho-hum interview. Further, as near as I can tell from the videos, Tom was the ONLY one given a chance to speak in the Greenroom. Again, he got his points across. Good for you, Tom!

The “S*x offender” topic had to draw a viewing audience of all types of people; among them Defense attorneys, politicians, everyday family people, and, most importantly, the Ex offenders and their families as well. Each of them now know they have an advocate for themselves. Yes, on both sides. But, how often do ex-offenders get the chance to KNOW they have an Advocate? Now they know! They can see with their own eyes how the deck is stacked against them by the attitudes of Julia and the DA. But, they can also see that there are people like the two Toms, (hey! Tom-Tom, sounds like a beating drum to me), anyway, these two Toms are willing to publicly stand up and fight for them. On National TV! How many of them would now feel empowered to join the fight

I think we should capitalize on this show. Use it as an opportunity to publicize ourselves, and increase our membership. These people need us, and we are here for them, Nationwide!

Do you think that John Stossel would do a follow-up on this story? Show the “fair and balanced” side?


What do you think of placing a small ad in the Personals columns with our new Hotline number? Are we set up enough to handle a large volumne of calls?

Just tossing out my thoughts for discussion. Overall, I think we were just given an opportunity to come up from behind.

If Fox wants to give us lemons, let’s make lemonade and lemon meringue pie!

Anita

LetsGetReal
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #33 on: Today at 09:36:46 AM »

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After, viewing both videos and conferring with others, I am disassoicating myself and cfcoklahoma from SoClear and Tom Madison.

He does NOT represent ME or the cause.

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justus1
SOSEN Staff
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #34 on: Today at 09:53:51 AM »

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I thought Tom learned long ago, when I was his second in command, that the quantity of members an organization has means absolutely nothing. At one time, we had over 200 members at Soclear, but only 12 of us actually DOING anything. It was at that time that he CHOPPED all but about 20 members.

People love to get up close to look at the car wreck. Curiosity seekers. I’d be willing to bet that that’s what that’s about, if anything.

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flowergirl_1970
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Re: URGENT MESSAGE PLEASE READ RE: Tom Madison
« Reply #3 on: Today at 10:48:58 AM »

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I agree that Tom is probably not the best person to have represent RSO issues in a public arena. Not because I think he is a bad person, but because he lost his credibility yesterday and so everything he says from this point forward is basically moot. I don’t know him personally and I can’t judge his intentions for wanting to be on the front-line, but from this point forward, I agree that him doing so will be detrimental to the cause.

LetsGetReal
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #34 on: Today at 10:57:18 AM »

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Second Chance!

We all need to back off, cool down. We are too quick to shoot one of our own.

Give this a few days. We talk about second chances but not willing to extend grace and mercy to one of our own.

We’re doing the same thing society does to us. EMOTIONAL REACTION and emotions lack intelligence. Tom was angry, yes but that doesn’t justify our reactions IMO.

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fallenone
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #36 on: Today at 12:07:53 PM »

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What about the Ohio Rally? SOHopeful denounced the rally, and the trolls claimed they “Hijacked” the rally LOL. If the result was we reached more people and encouraged people to fight back, then its a benefit. But we’re the only ones willing to speak up for ourselves. The Oklahoma Educational Symposium was supposed to be a citizen’s event, non RSO but we couldn’t get any non-RSOs to commit to hosting or speaking. If I’m going to get beaten, I’d rather land a few blows than curl up in a ball and beg “Please Stop!”

We don’t have a John Walsh or a Lunsford, and while I have no respect for them as people, you have to respect the fact that what they say is Gospel to the masses. We need emotion, we need fire, we need FIGHT! This ain’t a competition, feel free to test your talents and show us how its done
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BlackRogue
Member

One Voice, One Fist!

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #38 on: Today at 04:02:04 PM »

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Tom held his decorum a lot better than I would have. I am not a public speaker and the abush tactics would have triggered me, so Kudo’s to Tom for trying. However the general overall idea so far is that it is the families that need to speak up, not the offenders. This is true. Putting a face to the pain and misery of the collateral effects of these laws is the way to reach the average Joe. However I do have reservations that this will work as this federal government is out of control, and has no semblence of a real democracy anymore. We live in a capitalistic republic and that is the furthest thing from a real democracy outside of communism that you can get. In a real democry the president doesn’t have the powers that this current electorates have and the people have the power. This country is too far gone I’m afrad to be saved.

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tiggeronmv
SOSEN Staff
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2008, 08:02:27 PM »

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I am pleased to see this string move back towards our purpose of addressing the question, “How do we reach out to the public, get their attention, and teach them the truth.” I am most interested in the E, education component of SOSEN.

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This set of laws isn’t exactly promoting communication, openness, and honesty. *grins wryly*

*grins wryly* I love this,

In His service,
Tiggeronmv

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flowergirl_1970
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2008, 10:34:13 PM »

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Because the only way to fight laws that aren’t working is to speak out and the media is the strongest outlet. More often than not, the media has been unbiased in their interviews (I say interviews, not coverage of RSO issues). This show is/was the exception to that. Can you imagine Katie Couric or John Stossel (or any other reputable journalist) interviewing/interacting with Tom that way ….. I think not.

Triedbyconscience
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #44 on: Today at 12:10:58 AM »

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If you want to educate people, first you have to get their attention.. then you have to engage their brains, make them question, make them look at things… not because you’re right, but because all the sudden you have presented a flaw in their thinking, and challenged them to look at it.

To bring a person into thinking, you have to engage them in debate, in calmness and compassion. In our situations we must expect to be attacked, after all, isn’t that part of what we protest?

If you want to challenge people in a way that they improve themselves, challenge their preconceptions. Be something that they cannot deny, cannot challenge, cannot control. Be a person insisting, with human dignity, on fair and equal treatment. Be a person who refuses to accept being a third-class citizen, and addresses them as equals, and asks simply for the same. If they continue to denigrate, continue to assault, and continue to belittle, they will fail, in the face of your calm, and reasoned argument. Even if they shout you down, the fact that this is all they have to fight with will fall in their debit.

If they mock, their childishness counts against them. If they attack the messenger rather than the message, those who matter, those who think, will also note this.

This is the nature of debate, of reason, and of logic and compassion. Compassion can’t be attacked or argued with. It is the goal, in fact, of treatment to teach compassion. Truth cannot be argued with. The equality of humans cannot be argued with. To do so would weaken their own position.

These are the directions from which we must work. Not attack, but build bridges, not tear down, but construct.

After all, we’re in a war zone… it’s time to start rebuilding rather than razing.

Sex Offender Issues
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #45 on: Today at 02:11:26 AM »

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This is on the AZUStitches77 YouTube page:

http://www.youtube.com/user/AZUStitches77

And of course their blog (Which I am not adding a link to):

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Triedbyconscience
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #46 on: Today at 09:00:36 AM »

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*snorts* That’s not a debate… debate implies argument, rebuttal, and the ability to confront, point for point, the accusations and statements of the opposing side. That’s a shark’s feeding frenzy. Kind of like a previous ‘treatment group’.

Said ‘victim’ is more a victim of ignorance than of anything else. I wonder if she realizes ‘300 acts’ can easily be accomplished? That you can easily do 50 ‘crimes’ in a simple molestation trial? Our laws are such that each contact is a crime, any penetration is a separate crime, exposure is a separate crime, and each an ‘act’. The ‘act’ of exposure contains multiple ‘acts’ by itself, public nudity, exposure to a child, and whatever the local ordinance might allow to be thrown at them.

As far as recidivism rates of pedophiles… pedophiles are very, thankfully, rare. THat ‘DA’ is evidently lacking education, and chooses to as well.

While I agree that his anger doesn’t help the situation, it is also not something I can entirely blame him for.

LetsGetReal
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #47 on: Today at 09:39:43 AM »

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We learn, we move forward. We make lemonade when life hands us lemons. We grow in knowledge and control. We will win because we are not alone

There are many groups and individuals who are realizing these laws do more harm than good and protect no one.

There is only one direction in this war and that is forward.

We do not shoot our wounded.

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flowergirl_1970
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Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #48 on: Today at 09:57:25 AM »

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The “300 victims” statistic comes from the Abel, 1987 study ….. never been replicated and many design problems limiting the generalizability of the study. Its completely irresponsible to apply their findings to anybody other than their sample and doing so indicates one’s lack of intelligence (IMO) or ability to critically analyze research results. Use of that statistic is unethical yet so many people do, even politicians.

fallenone
SO Clear Admin
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Re: Tom Madison on the Mike and Juliet show
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 11:25:46 PM » Quote
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I, for one, am sick of trying to sugar coat everything, and I don’t see too many others putting themselves on the front lines. SO Clear has more active members per capita than any other group, and that is saying something
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tmaximus95
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Re: Tom Madison on the Mike and Juliet show
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I’m in disagreement with you on some of your issues. For years we’ve been tip toeing through the tulpis, hoping that things will get beter. I think the time has come to show our anger at the gross abuse of our civil and human rights…

Though I agree that Tom got perhaps a bit aggressive, it was necessary. Tom is very sensitive about all sex offenders being labelled as “pedophiles.” He flips out!

I don’t believe it’s wrong that we are angry over the persecution we are suffering, and since these laws don’t do what they’re supposed to–which is protect the public–they need to be abolished.

Now… Just how to do that is anyone’s guess.

Before you judge the affect of what happened… Let’s wait awhile and see what the fallout is–if any–to better analyze any future interactions with the public through the media.

Walt.

trickson

Re: Tom Madison on the Mike and Juliet show
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I saw nothing but uncontrolled anger , Hatred , fear mongering and a total lack of self control on the part of the interviewers and the so called expert panel ! that was a joke nothing more that an ambush meant to spread more fear , Hate and anger towards sex offenders for the show to gain more points ! I would consider asking if they crossed the line and were vigilantes up there trying to cause some kind of physical harm or mental harm and that would be against the law !

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SexOffenderIssues

Re: Tom Madison on the Mike and Juliet show
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We live in a sick, sick world, where evil and ignorance knows no bounds.

trickson

Re: Tom Madison on the Mike and Juliet show
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I so agree with you ! what I got out of watching that was sick I was physically sickened I wanted to yell and scream I was so angry and in some respect I still am . I do not know what to say this world is full of sick hate filled people that spread it like a virus and that DA she is a virus that no one needs ! not one of them showed any respect any empathy any forgiveness what so ever ! the hate spewing forth from there mouths was amazing to me . That X-DA could hardly wait to jump in with her loud angry hate fill voice yelling at the 2 people that were there ! What was the point in her yelling from the GATE ? ! I am still so angry right now ! I can not even think how pissed off Tom was not to mention the law make that took them men into his home ! what even the interviewers were hostile and filled with disdain and HATE ! I so need to chill out I am now just peaking with anger my self !

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trickson
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Re: Tom Madison on the Mike and Juliet show
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Well the only thing that DA ever worked on was TAKING KIDS , separating kids and locking up the parents ! Never to see them again ! spreading her hate and anger onto generations of children is her way of working with children !

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REALITY CHECK:
Addressing people as ignorant in your first sentence, won’t work. People are not ignorant. But Tom Madison is an arrogant cocky pissed off sex offender who does not elicit empathy and compassion from the very people he needs it from. He is in no position to be exhibiting such anti-social traits, and as the self-proclaimed voice of sex offenders he’s merely giving America the impression they already had: That he and others like him are out-of-control, impulsive, selfish heartless dogs.

REALITY CHECK:
It is not that sex offenders speak out, it is HOW they speak out, their inability to understand the very studies they mis-quote, their angry mocking of victims, their minimization behavior, finger-pointing, misplaced blame, rationalizations, deceptive propaganda and denial that is the downfall of RSO activism. No success can ever be won and maintained without honesty and integrity. The current RSO advocacy leadership is lacking in those qualities.

REALITY CHECK:
There are sex offenders who feel they have the right to angry righteous indignation while they are calling victims of sexual assault “professional victims” for being angry that their abuser served such a low sentence and went on to abuse someone else, or walked away scott free, or roams the internet blaming and rationalizing and organizing international pedophile rings. Those sex offenders and/or supporters are suffering from thinking errors. They need to stop listening to the advice of those angry leaders and take back control of their activism.

REALITY CHECK:
Children are not here to be used on the whim of anyone. They are to be cherished and loved and protected from evil. The exploitation of children IS evil in whatever form it takes. While children and families of registered sex offenders will experience consequences, those consequences are ultimately the fault of the sex offender. By blaming society and government they are teaching their children to misplace blame. They should accept their part in what’s happened, and try to protect their children as much as possible from the negative effects instead of drawing them into the fight and attempting to USE them to fight their battle. This is the new wave of RSO activism. It is completely inappropriate and will serve to decimate RSO advocacy once and for all.

DO NOT EXPLOIT CHILDREN

REALITY CHECK:
Teenagers have their own issues. If you feel strongly about Romeo and Juliet cases then make that your issue and fight for them with all you’ve got. But remember that when you also fight for child molesters, rapists, child porn addicts, the abolishment of civil commitment laws for those deemed at high risk to re-offend, and for the abolishment of age of consent laws….your argument is lost and your fight is over

1 Kommentar 14.9.08 03:39, kommentieren

The right and proper money trail only $22.95 a month

CEO’s DSL Connection

letsgetreal50

CEO’s DSL Connection
« on: February 26, 2008, 11:00:11 AM »

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It was brought up at a Staff Tele-Conference Meeting on the 16th that Sosen pay for Linda’s DSL Connection. I think this is right and proper thing to do. Our CEO needs something better than dialup for sure.

I just want to make the motion to approve that. I think this is a good place to cast your vote. If yes, then I’ll contact GG and have her issue a check to Linda each month for $22.95. I believe that was the amount.

Lets

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Billm

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 11:27:44 AM »

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Quote from: letsgetreal50 on February 26, 2008, 11:00:11 AM
It was brought up at a Staff Tele-Conference Meeting on the 16th that Sosen pay for Linda’s DSL Connection. I think this is right and proper thing to do. Our CEO needs something better than dialup for sure.

I just want to make the motion to approve that. I think this is a good place to cast your vote. If yes, then I’ll contact GG and have her issue a check to Linda each month for $22.95. I believe that was the amount.

Lets

She definitely needs it. Very difficult to do her work with dial up

letsgetreal50

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 11:48:02 AM »

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Almost impossible to view posted videos.

Lets

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bronkv
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 12:12:17 AM »

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I agree completely, dialup is ridiculously slow.

letsgetreal50

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 12:21:01 AM »

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Common staff, weigh in on this.

Lets

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Book38
SOSEN Secretary
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
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There’s no waying in on it…..it’s a done deal. She needs to have DSL as part of her work. And our CEO does A LOT of work for SOSEN.

This can be considered a perk, but it’s really a necessary part of the job.

Book

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letsgetreal50

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 12:38:09 AM »

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I’ll e-mail GG and let her know to send Linda a check for $22.95 each month.

Lets

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static
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 04:02:11 AM »

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Ok now that that’s decided, can we maybe afford to pay the phone company to install a switching station in the boonies so that we can provide DSL for the Staff Roustabout? (meaning me&hellip

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letsgetreal50

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 05:42:03 AM »

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I don’t have her new address, but a $22.95 payment per month should be no problem once I get it.
On another note, I have been unable to cash the checks because I have not got the letter back. This is a simple proceedure, just sign in front of a notary and pass it through the mail to the next board member. I can’t cash any physical checks without the paper OR ELSE the $325 payment to get our non-profit registered. I’m about to suggest we do that, as it seems the only other way to get a physical bank account.
Lois

Linda,

can you e-mail GG your address and perhaps someone can assist her with the bank in order that she can deposit checks.

Lets

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equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 08:39:31 AM »

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The letter think is partly my bad. Letter is on its way to book for signing.

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letsgetreal50

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2008, 09:13:32 AM »

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Rock and Roll

Lets

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static
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
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I see that you all got right on the project of getting me a DSL connection… I’m sure I’ll be surfing MUCH faster any day now….

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coolrich001
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2008, 08:51:16 PM »

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As usual, I’m a day late and a dollar short on this. All I can say is Linda needs and deserves this.

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static
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
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I agree completely. I was just making a dumb joke- sorry… It’s a serious topic, and I shouldn’t have been joking about it.

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equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: CEO’s DSL Connection
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2008, 10:36:55 PM »

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We all need to joke. The only topic I can think of that one cannot joke about is a death, or PV, and maybe you can find something funny in a pv.

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1 Kommentar 14.9.08 03:37, kommentieren

Tom was ready for anything

Autumn:
Tom Madison to be on television…
« on: October 08, 2007, 10:41:28 AM »

Tom Madison will be on the Mike and Juliet show on the Fox Network, Wednesday morning. He will be appearing with known author and a retired professor of constitutional law and criminal law. , John Q. La Fond. Mr. La Fond has written a book entitled, “Preventing Sexual Violence : How Society Should Cope With Sex Offenders (05 Edition)”.

Caribe007:

Good Luck Tommy boy………watch yer back, as you know these media types (they of the double digit I.Q.’s en mass) might have some shite like Laura Ahearn lurking off stage.

Jackie Sparling:

I just got off the phone with Tom. He’s stretched out on a king size bed in a 4 ROOM SUITE, 17 floors up, looking right out at Times Square. It brought a tear to my eye, because I miss NYC almost more than I miss my husband.

Last night, he and I had a mini VAT class, where I played a nasty person in the audience throwing nasties at him disguised as questions….let me assure you, he’s ready, and ready for anything.

I am very VERY proud to work so closely with a man with so much character, strength, and will. Even though he knows it is risky to do this, he also knows it’s a risk well worth taking, and he’s going to get his points out by golly, and that’s that. Think positively. That’s the key, it really is.

We are all very blessed to have Tom manning the helm of this organization. He works extremely hard trying to make things better for all of us out there. We’ve all got to step up to the plate and say, “here I am Tom, what can I do to help”? I don’t care how little the task is, as long as it’s getting done, I’m going to be thankful for whoever is doing it.

Tom has a lot of knowledge to pass along, so that we can get more people in front of cameras making more and more videos. We REALLY need someone to take on the job of getting our finished product out to the right venues.

Caribe007:

What a complete AMBUSH!

First, the bald headed psycho-babble idiot doctor needs to keep his yap shut

Second - who WAS that born to be beat “advocate” of the missingoffenders.org?
She was a Laura Ahearn clone

Third - the lawyer both misquoted rapists recidivism rates, and blinked like he got gut punched

Fourth - The “hosts” - a bimbo and a dyed hair loser - attacked Tom and asked all sorts of crap about his offense - to titlate their audience - which

Fifth: The audience was made up of senior citizens and lackeys

SIXTH! - The shite program’s NEXT segment was on “friends with benefits”!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t want to say it - BUT I TOLD YOU SO……..THE MEDIA….THEY NEVER CHANGE

more later…….that was out and out CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jackie:

What Tom did today was a very brave thing. It was a first, and he made some really important connections, which alone, are gold.

Whether we thought it went well or not, he deserves our support, and words of encouragement. He’s put himself out there, brave enough to have his face and name in front of a tv camera, or even just his real name and phone number out there on the internet connected to the infamous label of “sex offender”. He’s doing all he does in trying to forge a path that others can follow.

He deserves kudos for his courage and conviction. Anyone who saw this as a “flop” doesn’t understand the goal, or how important it is to make connections and gain new allies and contacts.

Tom and I both view this as a success, the first of many to come. I got this man on a major television program, which was one of my goals, and one that I thought was going to take me a lot longer to do. For me, the fact that he was on television, was a success in itself.

RonD:

I wanted to see the show but being in Oregon it was not aired here.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-interrogation.htm I got this off SoHopeful site when I was in the Air Force overseas all flying personal needed to go to Brain Washing classes.
It has helped me so much in my life.
Read it; it will help you to understand how you can be manipulated.
And made into one of America’s SHEEP knowing is power confusion and hopelessness is the name of the game.

Caribe007:

I give Tom a lot of props for the courage he has to even be in the same room as these shites; sanctimonious knuckleheads who have about as much right to judge others as a moron sight inspecting a physics blackboard problem.

However, I won’t put lipstick on a pig; Tom was shanghaied by these wonks, and hoodwinked by the producers of this………..show.

It was the “pardon me for speaking while you are interrupting” gab-bloviation, corralled by Dr. Buy My Book, who didn’t know facts, but since’s got the medical fruit salad behind his name, every imbecile believes him, and the whole flush-fest was monitored by two mental defectives, who between them, have opened a gapeing hole in the ozone with the hairspray they shellack on their follicles, preening to an audience/”jury” of half-dead losers/freebie ticket holders on a lame-assed Regis & Kelly me-too program that was as deep as a pothole.

RonD:

Tom did well, what I think my need to be done is get Tom’s full name on Google and Internet explorer’s search engine.
So someone can type his name in and it takes them to SoClear.org.
Tom you’ve got testy’s! I don’t know if he’d go for this but it’s a thought.
This way if there is another TV show and only Tom’s name is said, someone can look up are website.
Tom will pick himself up, dust himself off, give them the beloved “California salute” ( The Finger) get on the phone.
Make a collect call to Spartacus and say next stadium please.

Faith:

Tom - you did a great job all things considered. I think one of the things we need to work on (maybe role play it with the VAT classes and let us know what you all come up with) is how to “confront” these interviewers and hosts that allow the other side to constantly interrupt and talk over our side, while insisting that we hear THEM out. And I put confront in quotes, because we’ve got to find a way to do it diplomatically, so we’re not seen as being a$$es. At the same time, we’ve got to make it obvious that that IS what is happening. While it is painfully clear to us, I would bet the average person watching such a conversation never realized that 1 side was being allowed to control and manipulate the entire thing. So, we need some way to NICELY bring attention to that fact for the viewing/listening audience.

And Caribe, I TOTALLY agree with you about that couple. The clothes certainly were not the best, but not everyone can afford a nice suit. But at least take the time to do your hair nicely and don’t sit there with a dumbstruck, deer in the headlights look. They looked doped up. Certainly not going to be our favorite poster children for the SO reform movement. :-( Tom - at least you looked put together and respectable. And, of course, they had to pick on that, making snide remarks about since you wore a suit and could travel, you obviously weren’t having too tough a time of it. Jerks!

And I really loved the one guy’s slippery slope comment. Doesn’t he realize that the slope goes both ways. And the way it’s going right now is directly counter to our constitution and Bill of Rights - not to mention following the same path Germany followed 70 years ago! I suppose that guy is absolutely perfect and never ever broke the law or did anything immoral or unethical! Shoot, maybe we need to start calling him Jesus?!

Caribe007:

Lemme…clarify my take;

Tom: Did well considering he walked into an imbecilic verbal machine gunning….

Mike: Slap a goofy hat on him, and he could have passed for the Scarecrow a la The Wizard if Oz - before he got a brain.

Juliet: Chosen for her looks, not brains - which was on display full frontal. LOVED her cooing in the next segment; “Friends with Benefits”. Bet she has men stashed all over……. Manhattan - sha-doobie.

Dr. Preening Book Seller: Should give lectures on how to interrupt people when they are speaking.

The Lawyer: Needs eyedrops. And a fact sheet. And study time.

Ms. Advocate: Needs chin catcher to keep jaw from dropping. If she’s the spearhead for those missing on the registry, and I’m one of them (which I’m not), I wouldn’t break a sweat.

The Twin Dakota Kids: Ill-prepared - but who could be, seeing that they were cannon fodder for the blow-dried twins, and Dr. Lemmetalkyoucan’tonceyerbadyerbadnoexceptionsyouneedtobewatchedforeverforgetabouteveryothertypeofcrimebecauseit’s…….forthechildrendon’tyaknow.

Note to Faith: I can walk into any Goodwill store, plop 10 bucks on the counter, and have me a suit that would look like Saville Row on camera. Ditto a dress - only I don’t go that way.

The segment: Worthless, in that nothing substantial was said. Glad Tom got to see the Big Apple - only worthwhile part of trip.

1 Kommentar 14.9.08 03:33, kommentieren

Cheryl Griffiths Attempts to Cover up her Cover-up Attempt

HELP Immediate action needed

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

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Tsand is writing as Zman on the newspaper comment section ://.nwfdailynews.com/article/12657/1
He is damaging sosen badly.
I cannot find any way of asking for deletion of posts and when I call the online staff number there is only a recording that there is not office hours.
Can anyone find where to contact to get this stopped???!!!!
I sent an email to nathan_land@link.freedom.com>, who is listed as web master I don’t know what else to do but Tsand is using another persons name and is telling lies and stole posts from ROAR
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It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power is the most ferocious enemy of justice-Martin Luther King Jr.

Billm

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Screenshots of person posing as Zman

://.sendspace.com/file/xagjgz

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

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God bless you Bill.
Also, I need all the info on Tsand, Brown Billy
johnjohnson@yahoo.com
Bcu
Toes in the mud
that we can get. I need ip’s other aliases, other screen names ANYTHING and I need it FAST.
All our researchers please go to it.
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It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power is the most ferocious enemy of justice-Martin Luther King Jr.

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

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HEY where is everybody>>>>>
I am in desperate need to find a way to contact an actual person at the daily news Northwest Fl Daily News
WE are taking a BEATING there and it is a brawl. I cannot get ahold of a PERSON there to get this shit shut down.
Can any one find something for me;
OR at least post here that you are looking or couldnt find anything
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It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power is the most ferocious enemy of justice-Martin Luther King Jr.

gratefulhoo
SOSEN Staff
Member

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Cheryl, I don’t know how to help but I wanted to at least respond.

I’m not sure how much help you’re going to get from the paper since they used statements off of ROAR witout even bothering to try to contact anybody from there. That’s incredibly irresponsible. They misinterpreted and skewed information taken out of context - just like AZ/PJ. With that level of journalism, I’m not sure they will care what you think.
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Billm

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Screen shots with comments Child Porn Suspect Wants Reform

://.sendspace.com/file/mkylyh

on first one i forgot to copy pg 2 of story.

://.sendspace.com/file/ut8stv

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

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SELECT PICTURE NAME STATUS ADDRESS ADDRESS SOURCE INFORMATION
Return my Selection as: List Flyer Go
Keys, Clay C.

VIEW FLYER
Released 1008 HANSEN BLVD
PENSACOLA, FL 32505-2845
Show Map Source: Dept. of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicle
Received: 12/11/2007
Type of Address: Permanent

://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=15525
this is tsand. I need all possible info on him. All names used, screen names, all negative stuff

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It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power is the most ferocious enemy of justice-Martin Luther King Jr.

letsgetreal50
Member

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I think once all information is gathered it should be sent to the Florida DOC. He is a loose cannon and is exhibiting instability, anti-social behavior that could possibly lead him to re-offend.

Once truth is acknowledged,
it can never be denied.

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

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Another email I received from the reporter of the story after I wrote and told him his quote was stolen and inaccurate. Interesting.

Ms. Griffiths,

Thanks. I would not have included those quotes if I felt SOhopeful was
being forthcoming with me. My multiple phone messages and an e-mail never
were returned, and I believe the so-called “press release” was only posted
after someone realized a reporter already discovered the Freeman
connection. It was dated 3 p.m. Friday. I had called more than once and
e-mailed Thursday and called again Friday.

I tried to be as fair as possible, but the apparent unwillingness of
SOhopeful to share information with the press made my job very difficult.
Anyway, thanks again for your e-mails and your interest.

Best,
Andrew Gant
The Northwest Florida Daily News
Direct (850) 315-4432
Cell (850) 685-4821

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It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power is the most ferocious enemy of justice-Martin Luther King Jr.

gratefulhoo
SOSEN Staff
Member

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So, let me get this straight … because SoHopeful didn’t respond to him, he slammed another organization without even TRYING to make contact?
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equal justice
COO, Media Director
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I guess so. Who knows if he contacted ROAR and what they would have said. Roar was the org name he used I believe
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1 Kommentar 13.9.08 02:54, kommentieren

Rod was gonna turn this shit around and shove it up their ass with the help of Tmaximus95

letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member

This is where staff comes in.
« on: February 02, 2008, 03:42:30 AM »

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This is a copy of an e-mail that I sent to a post that Zman made entitled 2nd chance. -http://forum.sosen.us/index.php?topic=1885.msg7976#new

I am so excited for 2008.

We’re going to turn this shit around and shove it up their ass. Sorry, Got carried away there. LOL

Staff, we have another opportunity to join forces and create. What I do know is, several heads are better than one.

This is a positive and we must establish a relationship in order that we become stronger and a force to be reckoned with.

Feed back please.

My name is Rod Wagner, RFSO and staff member of sosen. At present I am heading a committee for a symposium to be held at 2300 N. Lincoln Blvd., Oklahoma City, OK. on May 2nd 2008 between the hours of 1 to 5 PM. The theme of the symposium is “More Harm Than Good.”

Guest speakers are Sarah Tofte of the Human Rights Watch Report “No Easy Answers.”

Cheryl Griffins, who will represent sosenfamily which is a group of victims and survivors of sexual abuse

Joann Pratt who spoke at the Ohio Sex Offender Rally on Dec 1, 2007

Dr. Steven Davidson will also speak

We are approaching Dr Jill Levenson

Spokes person from the Ohio Public Defenders Office

ACLU, Oklahoma

and many others.

This is NOT a sex offender rally but rather an educational symposium to educate the public, the citizens of Oklahoma.

20/20 will air on March 7, a program entitled “Sex in America.” You don’t want to miss it.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to assist you.

Rod Wagner

aka letsgetreal

Pleas visit our site and get to know us.

I’m going to join your site. I want to get to know you.

Maximus Trillious to me

show details 12:43 AM (1 hour ago)

Hi Rod,

I looked at your mission statement and am happy to see so many folks building this national network…

I think one of the biggest problems is the psychological treatment industry pursuing all kinds of
congitive modification, and behavioral modification through strict, and sometimes over strict
regulations and restrictions. It goes against Ellis, and other pioneer’s in the behavioral modification field.

I have a great deal of knowledge in this area, and must say, I’m concerned. If you look at what
little statistics were available prior to all these new laws, they appear to be the same as they are now. I tend to think there’s a much bigger, hidden, agenda.
If 80% of the offenders released from prison do NOT re-offend over a 10-15 year term, that’s
reason enough to believe that maybe these particular laws are not cohesive with genuine reform, and cannot lend to reduce recidivism. I believe other avenues must be pursued.

The relapse prevention model, during treatment in prison, is a great way for guys to learn. However,
having participated in, and graduating from one of those programs, I can tell you that there’s a lot of
problems with them. In My State, Massachusetts, the DOC was contracting agencies that employed interns
which in turn led to a lot of problems. I believe that after 5 years of probation, a guy is pretty well established, or at least enough to carry on with life without creating another victim. But there are cases where treatment models, particularly those calling for self incrimination or be punished, are more detrimental to genuine rehabilitation.

The latest legislative trends smell a lot like McCarthyism to me. That’s how these laws were passed.
I would be happy to speak with you about legislative reform, and more importantly, treatment programs in America’s Correction Systems. I am no fan of ATSA, MATSA, etc… I found a great deal of psychotherapeutic hypocrisy that just wastes public resources.

Anyway, you can reach me at 978-710-3474. By the way, my folks are from Tulsa.

Thanks for the email,

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equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: This is where staff comes in.
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 07:19:52 AM »

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Rod,
OMG, please, please,please do not use Joanne’s name anywhere. Please list her as Jane Doe. Please contact anyone who you sent this email to and tell them the name was in error!!!!
Also, when referring to me use Cheryl Griffin. Do not release any info as to where I am from, Fl. is ok but nothing more specific.
Thanks

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letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: This is where staff comes in.
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 11:42:41 AM »

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Will do.

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letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: This is where staff comes in.
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 11:45:49 AM »

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I’m going to call this guy today. If any of you have questions you want me to ask or statements, jot them down here and I’ll relay them.

Lets

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equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: This is where staff comes in.
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 12:11:56 PM »

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Will he put a link to our site on his?
Would he like his link on our site?

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letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: This is where staff comes in.
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2008, 01:10:50 PM »

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Thats a question that I do want to ask him. For sure.

I joined his site, I don’t see a texed forum as I didn’t look all that hard. but he has Skype for audio communication. I’ll have to get head phone and mike. I’m not quite sure how that works.

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letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: This is where staff comes in.
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2008, 02:22:48 PM »

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This man Walter, also known as TMaximus95 is a MAJOR find. I spoke with him at length He is not just putting a link to us but we have our own Button on his Home page. Also he has 100’s of blogs and each will reference sosen.us.

We need a “Button” on our Home page and return the favor.

It should link to this url: -http://www.2nd-chance.info/

He is going to join forum.sosen.us and has extremely valuable information that I request he post. We need to approve him ASAP.

He very intelligent and well thought out. He is also doing a cost analyst that will blow your mind. I think right now, his figures are 168 Billion a year to house and monitor RSO’s and that at this point is probably conservative.

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gratefulhoo
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: This is where staff comes in.
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2008, 05:55:53 PM »

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Good job Lets!

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REALITY CHECK:

TMaximus95:

It’s my belief that the government has no business dictating to any family what age their child is able to consent to sexual relations.

Some children mature earlier than others. I don’t think that the government has a right to undermine or subvert human nature or childhood development, especially when it comes to human sexuality because love, (and sex is a part of love) is something that’s natural.

And kids need to learn how to love, they need to be taught how to love.

We know a line has to be drawn somewhere but sex is a normal growing experience and is not a horrible crime when there’s no force involved. It’s all a part of everyone’s life

my crimes involved the manipulation and bribery of several teenage boys (age 14 to 16 years old) to allow me to have sexual relations with them. My crimes were not physically violent. That is, I didn’t force anyone into anything, but I did use money and gifts to gain their cooperation.

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Shhhhhhhhh - Know Thy Enemy and place a SOSEN bounty on TSAND’S head

Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!

lindape54
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Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« on: March 05, 2008, 12:27:04 PM »

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://sohopeful.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16015

Sicko KP ring

://.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-childporn020508,0,5529352.story?track=rss

Online child pornography network one of most sophisticated ever
By LARA JAKES JORDAN | Associated Press Writer
6:24 PM EST, March 4, 2008

WASHINGTON - After James Freeman was vetted and approved for membership in what police describe as a highly sophisticated child porn network, he expressed his appreciation by posting two folders online: one labeled “mild,” the other “wild.”

“All I can say is that they are worth the download,” wrote Freeman, 47, known in the global porn ring as ” Mystikal,” according to court documents. “My thanks to you and all the others that together make this the greatest group of pedos ever to gather in one place.”

Freeman, of Santa Rosa Beach, was one of 12 Americans indicted last week in a worldwide investigation that ultimately charged 22 people with participating in the porn ring — and intentionally blocking police from investigating it.

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Posted: Yesterday, at 4:49 pm

Yes, this is Jim Freeman, aka “Mystikwarrior”
We are shocked, horrified, sad, betrayed, angry

As Caribe rightly put it, this IS a “sicko KP ring” - yes, this was James ‘Jim’ Freeman -or- “mystikwarrior” as many of you knew him. The same “mystik” who answered your legal questions. The same “mystik” who was ready with a witty quip, a snarky jab or a handy quote from some Supreme Court case when the necessity arose. You may have known him from sexcriminals.com - how appropriate…

Former Interim Executive Director Jim Freeman had apparently been actively participating in trading child pornography the entire time unbeknownst to us. No one in SOhopeful had any idea this was occurring. It goes without saying that per common sense and our bylaws he is automatically no longer the Executive Director and is expelled from the organization. We have not, do not and will never tolerate offense or reoffense.

Of course we are absolutely horrified, shocked beyond belief, feel utterly betrayed, angry, disgusted, disappointed and insert any other negative emotion here.

Quote:
Local man caught in child porn ring
Indictment: James Freeman told users he was ‘proud to be a part of it’

Andrew Gant
Tuesday March 4th, 2008
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PENSACOLA — A Santa Rosa Beach man is one of 12 people indicted in a vast Internet child porn enterprise that investigators say ran for two years.

The U. S. Attorney’s Office has charged James Freeman, 47, with numerous federal crimes: engaging in a child exploitation enterprise, conspiracy, advertisement of child pornography, transportation of child pornography, receipt of child pornography and obstruction of justice.

Prosecutors say Freeman and at least 11 others used large file-sharing networks to share child porn over the Internet and installed “sophisticated encryption methods” to avoid detection.

Freeman’s user name was “Mystikal,” according to his indictment.

The charges were filed after investigators infiltrated the network. By then, the group had already traded more than 400,000 images and videos of child sex abuse, the U.S. Attorney’s Office alleges.

The indictment lists messages posted by all 12 users, many including descriptions of teens or children engaged in sex acts. One describes girls under 10 years old who are “heavily drugged” and abused.

In one message, Freeman posts two folders and claims the pictures inside are “worth the download,” the indictment states.

Later, he thanks the others for their participation: “My thanks to you and all the others that together make this the greatest group of pedos to ever gather in one place. I’m honored just to be a part of it,” according to the indictment.

Two other men were arrested Feb. 29 in connection with the case, but are not named in the document.

If convicted, Freeman and the others each face 20 years to life in prison plus fines.

The case was investigated by the FBI and lawmen in Australia, Germany, the United Kingdom and Canada.

SOURCE: ://.nwfdailynews.com/article/12561

Naturally the following questions arise: How could he? How could he do this to those poor children? How could he do this to us? How could he do this to YOU? Especially when he KNOWS what YOU go through? Especially when he KNOWS how hard your lives are already and what it would do to our cause when he got caught? And the answer are: It’s because he knew but he didn’t care. He knew but he cared only for himself.

Speaking for myself, I feel like Jackie Chan came running at me and karate kicked me in the chest and I want to vomit at the same time. I want to scream and hit him over the head with an iron frying pan. But that would never undo the devastating horror, betrayal, rage or humiliation inflicted upon those children, you, us or those we have all worked and networked with. How we feel is only mildly comparable to how children feel when they are victimized. The horror, the betrayal, the hurt, the rage, the humiliation… and many times they are too small to be able to even have the words to express it, unlike us. But we have the words and we have the venue.

We also have a cause: NO MORE VICTIMS!! And we will use our emotion, not in self-destruction, but we will use it to rebrand, rebuild and move forward. Our credibility is tarnished, but our efforts have not been in vain. Now is the time to pull together, weather the storm and ride it out. We’ve been through rough times before and we’ve gotten through them by focusing on our goals and core principles, pulling together and keeping our noses to the grindstone and not giving up.

We will make changes to ensure that this will not happen again. There will be no more Tom or Jim episodes, and like the Phoenix rising from the ashes, we too will emerge stronger and more focused, for we have learned from this experience.

NO MORE VICTIMS!

Article 2: (updated)
://.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7357981

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There IS life after sexual abuse
://thereislifeaftersexualabuse.blogspot.com/

static
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 12:37:10 PM »

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I pray that nothing like this ever happens to our group… We are in a serious fight. It is a public fight, and we have to be above reproach. This is a good time for everyone to reflect on whether they have any skeletons in their closet and clean house now. We not only destroy our own credibility, but that of every member of SOSEN if we reoffend (not to mention destroying all the work that’s been done). Let this be a cautionary tale for anyone who is walking that fine line between legal and illegal behavior- or is having thoughts that you know are leading you in the wrong direction. You will harm more than just yourself and you victim if you reoffend. You will hurt all ex-offenders everywhere- and by extention, the entire country. Yeah- it’s THAT serious. If you have any “issues”, work them out NOW.

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letsgetreal50

Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 12:42:14 PM »

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Perhaps we need to put out a statement of condemnation and support for those at SoHopeful who are indeed fighting the fight.

Lets
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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 01:56:28 PM »

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Some BOD members have already talked about this. Cheryl and I both believe it is SoHopeful’s best interest and OURS TOO…to let this go and rest. No need to try and bring it to light. PJ and AZ will way in on this, but they don’t have a big following. If no more is said, then it will go away in time. Too many new laws are trying to be made in Florida right now. We don’t want to kick the sleeping pit bull!

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equal justice
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 02:16:54 PM »

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If this story gets on our boards, National or South, we need to delete it and pm the person who posted it with the reason why.
This could severly hurt ALL rso groups. WE know PJ AND AZ would LOVE to get their hands on this and make the most of it.
We do NOT want the media to connect Jim and SOhopeful…and we SURE don’t want to help them to do it.
This could have happened to us as easly as to SOhopeful and the fall out will NOT just stay at sohopeful…it will rain down on ALL rso groups.
SO…lets keep as quiet as possible for now…
Shhhhhhhhhhhh

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letsgetreal50

Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 03:08:20 PM »

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Your right, the less said the better. But you can believe that AZ and PJ will get wind of this if they haven’t already. i wouldn’t doubt it if Bill Oreilly does a take on this.

Lets
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static
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 03:37:32 PM »

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Yeah- but they’re not in our control. How much WE give attention to this is. EJ’s right- SHHHHhhh….

We may have to comment on this if it becomes a big deal, but for now we should just continue with our work and let sohopeful take care of this on their own (at least in public).
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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 08:06:53 PM »

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Can someone sneak over to Shirley’s group and see if Tsand (brownbilly) has found out about this. I would like to know what he or they are saying about this.

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letsgetreal50

Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 08:34:50 PM »

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I tried. It looks like they are cleaning house and deleting accounts of those who only lurk. I see Roar has it posted. I wish they wouldn’t.

Lets
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equal justice
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 09:02:34 PM »

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Tsand knows from ROAR

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topwop
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 11:38:54 PM »

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We should begin to prepare a statement of support for SoHopeful. It should include a carefully worded condemnation of Mr. Freeman’s alleged actions. I do not believe it is a question of “if” but “when” the public connection is made to SoHopeful.

Yes this hurts all of us in this cause, but fact is some ex-so’s re-offend and yes some lie and dig themselves a deep grave. In time he will realize just what he has done, and begin to understand the betrayal and disappointment he has left behind as his legacy.

SoHopeful will and should continue on. I wish them the best and they have my full support. The actions of one person should not reflect on the group as a whole. We are all in this fight together.

I believe Mr. Freeman is the exception and not the rule, we have all been purged.
Just my opinion.

topwop
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bronkv
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2008, 12:45:17 AM »

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I agree, that the best course of action is not mention a word about it.

static
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2008, 12:52:00 AM »

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.. unless we end up having to…

This isn’t to say we shouldn’t be supportive of Sohopeful, but they haven’t been very supportive if us lately, and I’d hate for SOSEN to get attached to this… It doesn’t really matter what the vigilantes say- but it does matter if we issue a statement, and end up getting caught up in the inevitable controversy… As of now, SOSEN is the best hope of seeing any change in the SO situation. We’d be doing ourselves and SO’s everywhere a dis-service if we let ourselves be caught up in this, just for the sake of a unity amongst different groups which doesn’t really exist right now anyway…

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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2008, 01:13:11 AM »

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I have just been over at SoHopeful reading the thread. They are just devastated and I understand why. Jim was the leader over there. He was the pillar to run to for legal information. He was always ready to give you hope for your situation by letting you know about court decisions. He really was a ray of sunshine.

I had to wait to post because I live near Jim Freeman and I needed to stay up and see what the local news had to say. They related the story and at the end, the news anchor said his name and what county he was from. There was no picture of Jim on the news cast and most importantly….there was no mention of him being an RSO or being attached to SoHopeful, let alone the Executive Director.

I have made a few phone calls to Jim in the past year. One was about the lawsuit he had against the state of Florida dealing with the email/IM verification law. The last time we talked, he was about to go to a meeting with the Speaker of the House in Florida. He has an office in Jim’s same town. He was trying to get them to show the U.S how “Smart” Florida could be with it’s new rash of SO laws. I don’t know how well the meeting went as we never spoke after that.

From what I knew of Jim, I would have NEVER thought that he was doing this while being Director of SoHopeful. Linda called me today and waited while I read the email she sent me. I got so physically sick that I could not eat lunch for a long while. I am still very upset!

My prayer is that this will not have an affect on the new rash of SO laws that they will want to use against Florida RSO’s.

But….we just may have to prepare a statement for future use, denouncing Jim’s actions. I will never be concerned if PJ or AZ get a hold of this. They don’t matter as both groups don’t have that large of a following. It’s the news media that I fear. We CANNOT have SOSEN tied into this (lump every RSO into one category mentality). So…..if the media starts to make the connection, we should already have a statement that we can release.

We need to keep SOSEN clean as we may be the only large RSO advocacy group left after the media has a field day with SoHopeful.

Book
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topwop
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2008, 07:31:36 AM »

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I must agree with Book, and say once again that we as a group “need” not “want” but need to have a carefully worded statement prepared for the possible coming storm.

We do not want to be “reactive” in this situation, we want to be “proactive.”
If we don’t use it then fine. I truly hope and pray we do not have to use it.

You folks in Florida know that when they tell you a hurricane is coming you don’t wait until you see it to react. (we do that here with tornado’s cause there’s nowhere to run except your basement, and their neat to watch)

Another point also is there may be members from SoHopeful that want to distance themselves from this situation and want a place to “transfer their flag” so to speak. We should be prepared for some new members, and be vigilant while accepting them.

“You either fail to plan, or plan to fail.”

topwop

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equal justice
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2008, 07:38:36 AM »

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The pj, AZ groups already have it. I suspect Tsand. He keep emailing me and telling me how they will find out about it and we need to be up front and honest about it, not try to hide. Only he said it worse than that.
It is not a question of HIDING. It is a question of not feeding these guys. YOU cannot talk or reason with them. ANYTHING you say will be twisted or not heard at all. They are the least of my concern.
Like Book said, it is the general media that concerns me. Them and the legislators here in Fl.
It is an excellent idea to prepare a statement just in case we need to use it.
It is very true that it never hurts to be prepared.
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gratefulhoo
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2008, 04:46:19 PM »

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Did anybody notice that Mzchelle’s post included Jim’s name? Should we modify the post and delete that part?

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lindape54
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2008, 04:48:36 PM »

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Quote from: gratefulhoo on March 06, 2008, 04:46:19 PM
Did anybody notice that Mzchelle’s post included Jim’s name? Should we modify the post and delete that part?

I saw that. But 99% of our membership would not connect the 2

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gratefulhoo
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2008, 04:52:30 PM »

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Cool. I just wondered if, since it was a repost of the article with the names added, if anybody had seen it.

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equal justice
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2008, 05:36:47 PM »

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Yea thats what I figured too, nobody would know who he is.

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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 10:00:17 PM »

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Doesn’t really matter as SoHopeful makes the connection for everyone. It will get out sooner or later. I just don’t want main stream media CNN or FOX getting the story out. We will have enough problems with the politicians that know. If main stream media gets a hold of this….the general population will scream.

My thinking is that this will come to a head when they start the trial. CNN and FOX will have it plastered all over then. However, we might be able to control the damage some. I had flowergirl scour the internet for the story. Nothing major, but she did find out that 2 of the 12 American’s were RSO’s. That is an extremely LOW number when you put it up against 600,000.00 registered sex offenders. And there were ONLY 24 members of this group out of the entire world that were committing this honorable crime. These figure are on our side and show that not all RSO’s re-offend.

This is the kind of information we need to come up with and keep on hand when we need to answer the up and coming questions.

We will also have ABC’s 20/20 show that will air tomorrow to rely on. Hopefully, their information will report more of the truth.

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letsgetreal50

Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 10:38:11 PM »

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The 20/20 show that was originally entitled “Sex In America,” will air on the 14th entitled “Age of Consent.”

They will “preview” Age of Consent tomorrow. At least thats how I understand it.

Lets

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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2008, 12:18:36 AM »

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Bad timing on ABC’s part. Do I understand correctly that the new name implys only a Romeo and Juliet show? I was under the apprehension that there were going to be 2 shows. The latter would deal with much older RSO’s.

Someone clue me in, I don’t understand.

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letsgetreal50

Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2008, 01:42:07 PM »

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“A Fate Worse Than Death”
March 7, 2008 at 5:54 pm | In Uncategorized |
Tags: Child Molester, Child Pornography, Jan Kruska, Jim Freeman, Roar4Freedom, RSO, Sex Offender Registry, Shirley Lowery, SoClear, SoHopeful, SOSEN, Tom madison

://operationsoroarful.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/a-fate-worse-than-death/

Jim Freeman said:

“Sometimes being a registered sex offender can be a fate worse than death.”

James A. Freeman, aka “Jim” Freeman, “Mystic”, Mystikal”, or Mystikwarrior” is a registered sex offender[1] and RSO activist. In 1997, at the age of 37, Jim was convicted on charges related to the sexual abuse of a child under the age of 16. Part of his sentence required Jim to register as a sex offender after his release from prison. Disgruntled with the newly imposed requirements of his registration, Freeman, along with fellow sex offender Tom Madison, helped to co-found SOhopeful, an advocacy group for sex offenders. In fact, until very recently, Jim served in the capacity of Executive Director for SOhopeful in addition to functioning in the capacity of the groups Legal Director.
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As part of an international sting, Jim Freeman has been arrested by the FBI and indicted by federal grand jury on multiple charges, including: engaging in a child exploitation enterprise, conspiracy, advertisement of child pornography, transportation of child pornography, receipt of child pornography, and obstruction of justice. The U.S. Attorney’s Office will be prosecuting the case.[2]Prosecutors allege Freeman, and at least 11 United States citizens, used large file-sharing networks to share child pornography over the Internet and installed “sophisticated encryption methods” to avoid detection. Over the course of a two-year investigation, the group exchanged over 400,000 images of children, including toddlers, being drugged,raped, and molested. Jim Freeman, co-founder and Executive Director of SOhopeful, a man who repeatedly lobbied for less restrictive sex offender laws, on the premise that sex offenders don’t pose an “imminent danger” to society because they have the “lower recidivism rates than any other crime” was indicted on MULTIPLE counts of child pornography.

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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2008, 01:59:06 PM »

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ROD,

I don’t give a damn what these people have to say…..its not main stream media….who gives a CRAP what the hatters have to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY DON”T COUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did you post this?

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gratefulhoo
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2008, 02:09:34 PM »

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Quote from: Book38 on March 07, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
….who gives a CRAP what the hatters have to say!!

Would that be the mad hatters?

Personally, I do want to know what they are saying despite the fact that there really aren’t that many of them. My husband subscribes to both Democrat and Republican websites/updates in order to keep abreast of what “the other side” is doing. Not a bad thing, IMHO, as long as we don’t get fixated on it.

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static
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2008, 02:32:25 PM »

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Book, I’m with you on the fact that what these idiots have to say about the matter is mostly irrelevant as far as society goes. But it’s not so irrelevant for us. It gives us an idea of what propaganda they are going to attempt to feed to the public, and “know thy enemy” is good advice. It also saves me the trouble of hiding my IP to go see what they’re saying myself.

I’ll tell you what’s most amazing about what they said (and what makes it most dangerous to us)- Their post was more fair than almost anything they’ve ever written! Their post could easily pass for real reporting. What they said was true- he was a leader in an organization that advocates against SO restrictions on the basis of low risk. He “disproved” his own arguments. The only thing that was unfair were the tags at the bottom. They linked us and Jan (and anyone else they could think of) with this story, even though we have nothing to do with it, besides having a similar group. But the sad fact is- when this story fully comes to light, we’ll have to deal with the inevitable comparisons. And don’t think for a minute that they were “fair” because they’ve learned how to be objective reporters. They’re doing it to set themselves up as “fair-minded advocates” in the eyes of the legitimate press. Think about it- they will be able to sway public opinion even more against SO organizations, and at the same time increase their stature as “truthful advocates”. It’s quite brilliant, actually, but now that we know their intentions we can strategize more effectively on how best to thwart their efforts (which is why we needed to see the post) .

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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2008, 06:11:38 PM »

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As long as we don’t go overboard with posting there crap here. Personally, I don’t go over there because they have nothing to add to our cause. Also, they have a VERY small following. But they cause trouble with the thoughts they put into our heads.

Hey guys…..listen, we need to be on one page with this as we WILL have to give an answer to those outside of our group one day. It behooves us to have truthful (and factual) information to throw back at those who are asking questions about recidivism due to what this group of people has done to our cause.

I don’t believe it will help us any to listen to the ranting and ravings of lunatics like PJ/AZ. There words have a detrimental effect. Don’t believe me…..go spend some time reading their trash and see how you feel about yourself and your future after word. They have NOTHING to add to our lives or our cause.

And yes Lee Lee…they are “Mad Hatters”…….LOL

Realize that I have different opinions about some matters and some of you have others. I am not always right and neither are some of you. However, PJ/AZ are not in our corner and we in staff and BOD need to be bouncing ideas off each other right now to help with future damage control. You not going to get those ideas from reading their crap.
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gratefulhoo
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2008, 06:55:20 PM »

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Not to be Switzerland, but I agree with all of these sentiments. I do want to know some of what they say, but I can’t spend much time there. It just makes me sick. They are so evil. I have been pointed to their site to read things many times and have decided to just take people’s word for it. I don’t need to see all of that hatred from the mad hatters.

We do need to be prepared with the whole concept of “one guy doesn’t disprove low recidivism”. If it did, then we would be equating “low” with “ZERO” recidivism. Obviously there is recidivism, relapse, whatever anybody wants to call it. Jim’s behavior does not disprove the FACT of low recidivism. He is just part of that statistic.

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letsgetreal50

Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2008, 08:02:41 PM »

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For informational purposes only.

Quote from: Book38 on March 07, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
ROD,

I don’t give a damn what these people have to say…..its not main stream media….who gives a CRAP what the hatters have to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY DON”T COUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did you post this?

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static
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2008, 10:17:32 PM »

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(sigh&hellip Book- you’re right. You know the reason I’ve been on their forums alot lately, and it’s caused me to become very tense and argumentative (y’all may have noticed… haha..).

I can’t keep lurking on their boards- it’s affecting me… sorry. And I’m sorry to everyone who I’ve been a jerk to. (or “to whom I’ve been a jerk” for you grammarians)

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equal justice
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2008, 11:53:59 AM »

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well thanks to tsand and jackass ROAR it has hit the mainstream media now.
It is no longer just AZ site.
the Northwest Fl dailynews has become a freaking free for all.
I cant find a living person to contact there. We are under attack from the haters big time
WE must all remain cool in public but let me tell you I am NOT a happy camper right now

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Book38
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2008, 11:07:45 PM »

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Well…..it’s been several hours since the above post and Cheryl and Linda have once again helped to put an end to the trash talk that PJ/AZ and TSAND has done.

HOWEVER>…….there is now a SOSEN bounty on TSAND’S head. Seriously, I am sorry that need to be this way but, TSAND/BCU/MYDOGSPOT/TOESINTHESAND/TOESINTHEMUD….had popped his cork and is a VERY DANGEROUS person. Extremely unstable!!

As we have seen he will continue to take town the RSO Activist community at any cost to our cause. He has to be stopped….and the only way we can do this is to have him removed from the general public and that will more than likely have to be an arrest. I would like to see him placed in a mental institution. He may never get out, but he will be taken care of by a medical staff.
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Re: Dir of Sohope HEAD of KP RING!!!
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This is really, really awful… Damn… ://.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23339978-662,00.html

Face that haunts pedophile busters Print article: Print March 08, 2008 12:00am
IT’S a face that haunts police around the world.

A young girl, probably now nine, who has grown up from infancy on film - thousands of pictures and movies shot of her being molested by an abuser who then shared the images with a network of like-minded internet pedophiles.

As a two-year Queensland-led investigation culminated last weekend with the arrest of 22 people in eight countries, the relief and celebration at busting one of the world’s longest-running and most sophisticated internet pedophile rings was muted by the knowledge that the girl was still out of reach of protection.

Despite the best efforts of Task Force Argos, the Queensland Police Service’s much-lauded child sex unit, and their international counterparts, including the FBI, there are only two things the investigators know about the girl: the country in which she lives and that she is now in real danger.
It is a terrifying truth that yesterday choked up one of Queensland’s most case-hardened policemen.

The Argos chief, Detective Superintendent Peter Crawford, briefly excused himself from his office during an interview when asked about the girl - a “collector’s item” for pedophiles who prize the series that captured her abuse over possibly seven years.

“It is obviously distressing for police to see a young child abused and continued to be abused over a long period of time and not be able to identify or remove them from harm,” he later said.

“Some of these people are collectors, they want a whole series of a particular child growing up, being abused.”

One of Crawford’s inspectors, Jon Rouse, who led the investigation - codenamed Operation Achilles - is blunt about her possible fate.

“The thing is the offender knows we are closing in, we are very worried about her safety,” he said.

Over the next weeks, months and possibly years, police will be analysing more than 400,000 pictures and video files seized in the weekend raids to widen the net on offenders and save more victims.

Already, 40 children - including a four-year-old Brisbane girl - have been rescued through Operation Achilles and its investigatory spin-offs.

The significance of the bust cannot be underestimated.

More than 2500 ‘customers’ in 19 countries of child sex websites have been identified, with 100, including a US reserve police officer and an Australian federal bureaucrat, arrested and charged.

But it is the hardcore network of 22 people, including possibly a few more now under investigation, that is regarded as the coup by investigators around the world.

They were lauded as the untouchables of the international pedophile community.

“They were held-up around the world as the lead players, the ones who could defeat any law enforcement agency, anywhere,” Crawford told The Weekend Australian.

And they were not new to the internet.

While the scope of charges in the various countries have largely been restricted to the past two years, it is believed some have been producing and trading child pornography for a decade - since the explosion of the internet.

The reason they had not been caught, or even detected as a network, was their level of security. To get into the inner sanctum, a member had to go through stages of passwords, highly-sophisticated encryption and codenames. Even the location of their IP servers was disguised. Most, it is believed, didn’t even know the real location or identity of each other.

There was even a guidebook providing the dos and don’ts of avoiding detection and protecting hard drives in the event of a raid. Police had not seen anything like it before.

“What made this group different was the level of security used to protect their identity and restrict membership of the group,” Crawford said.

“They would change their passwords on a regular basis, they would change their encryption keys on a regular basis and use codenames even within the group.”

The level of protection, and years of operating with immunity, allowed them to trade freely and speak openly.

Other, less organised groups often communicate in coded language and trade in parallel, unrelated areas of the internet.

This one didn’t. They boasted among themselves of being able to “defeat” any law enforcement agency in the world.

“This is the greatest group of pedos to ever gather in one place. And I’m honoured just to be a part of it,” one member crowed.

But their seeming invincibility was to be their undoing. It all began to unravel in January 2006 when New Zealand police, who like Argos officers are constantly trawling the internet, came across them.

Police who do this sort of “borderless” work are largely vocational, and don’t worry about jurisdictional rivalries.

They share pretty much everything and often do a lot of each other’s primary investigation because when they initially scope an internet target, they usually don’t know where the person is actually located.

In this case, the NZ police had done enough to recognise there was a group trading in large volumes of child pornography and an Australian may be involved.

Crawford said Argos did a preliminary investigation to establish that it was a job worth doing. “To be honest, we were not sure if we could break through the security, but we wanted to try,” he said.

Crawford is guarded about how it was done, but Argos officers were then able to infiltrate the group.

Argos investigators are empowered to trade child pornographic material, under very strict guidelines, to secure their bonafides with a pedophile ring. In this case, it wasn’t needed.

“We were able to come up with a number of reasons and stories as to why we didn’t - that is our general strategy,” Crawford said.

For the next six months, the Argos officers worked day and night monitoring the group and collecting material. In June 2006 the officers intercepted videos of two girls - aged 9 and 11 - being abused by a man, later found to be their father, somewhere in Europe. The material was sent to Interpol headquarters in France and after more information was provided by Argos, the Belgian abuser was identified and the girls removed.

The trail then led to a professional Italian filmmaker and website creator, who allegedly produced more than 150 made-to-order videos filmed largely in Ukraine. The 42-year-old sold his catalogue - films featuring girls aged nine to 16 - for an average price of $79.

Discovery of the website spawned Operation Koala, named in recognition of its Australian origins and it spread across 19 countries and more than 2500 customers, who paid to download images, were identified and millions of files seized.

In Australia, the Belgian website produced 48 targets and, to date, nine people have been arrested in Queensland alone.

It also led to 24 children being rescued.

One of them was the four-year-old Brisbane girl, whose grandfather had subscribed to the site.

One of the areas of contention between law enforcement agencies around the world is the targeting of subscribers; some forces prefer to target only the big fish, but Argos investigates every single subscriber.

“The difficulty for us is that some people think that a subscriber type of operation is of no value,” Crawford said.

“But any one of those people could be a high level sex offender. When we go to knock on that door, we don’t know what is behind it.”

When police knocked on a subscriber’s door in the outer Brisbane suburb of Kallangur in late 2006, they also found the abuser. The 47-year-old man had convinced his daughter-in-law to return to work on the premise he would babysit his four-year-old grand-daughter. He filmed the abuse and was charged and jailed.

Argos officers were still able to keep their cover inside the secretive network despite publicity surrounding the European website and subsequent string of busts and arrests around the world.

“The filmmaker, his website were just one of many providers for this group, and they just continued on,” Crawford said.

In August 2006 the Argos officer who had infiltrated the group moved to Washington DC to operate from the FBI’s hugely-resourced Innocent Images Unit.

The FBI was stunned that this group - which included 12 Americans - was not only trading in child pornography but generating it.

Many of the victims were children of the offenders. For the next 18 months, the FBI and the undercover Argos officer, as well as another officer sent over to give him support, played the game and collected evidence. They had access to some of the most powerful internet tools on the planet to then track the real locations of most of the members.

In recent weeks they decided they had enough evidence and could go no further without raiding the homes, seizing the computers and then starting the interrogations. The 22 men, some of whom had previous sex offence convictions, were then brought down in simultaneous raids in Australia, the US, Britain, New Zealand and Germany.

“In a lot of cases, these guys were live online on their computers when police went through their doors,” Rouse said.

Among the arrested was an Australian federal government employee, a father of three who is accused of being one of the “key administrators” of the group.

The man, 29, was in charge of vetting new members and monitoring material that was posted within the network. It is believed his children were not victims.

Police won’t talk about the man for fear of jeopardising his prosecution, as well as that of a 50-year-old Victorian man, who is also allegedly part of the group.

Several more members are still in the shadows, including the abuser of the unknown young girl who has appeared in thousands of pictures and videos, and whose image now haunts police officers across the world. Her nationality has not been disclosed in the interests of the operation to rescue her, but police say she is not Australian.

It is a subject that no one likes to discuss.

“There has already been too much said about her, What has happened to her, I can’t bear to talk about,” one officer said.

But Crawford and his team will not give up looking for her. “There is a lot more work to be done, that little girl has not been rescued,” he said.

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